Out of the Attic Live From Delaware with Ash Fault Jungle Band

Can the loss of a loved one ignite a creative spark? On this episode of "Out of the Attic," I sit down with C Stevans from the Ash Fault Jungle Band to discuss his upcoming single "Take it Easy," which is set to release on October 6th. We'll chat about how the song became a heartfelt tribute to his late father.  

Have you ever wondered how AI is revolutionizing the music industry? We dive into the innovative use of AI for creating backup vocals and how this cutting-edge technology has elevated Stevans' recording sessions. Our conversation also touches on the complexities of music licensing, especially for reimagined tracks like "Take it Easy," and the challenges indie artists face on social media. Stevans shares valuable insights and strategies for navigating these obstacles, from the intricacies of music licensing to the struggles and triumphs of promoting music online.

Finally, we switch gears to explore the mysterious world of paranormal investigations with a special team featuring George, Paulette, Karen, and Tony. Learn the essential protocols and etiquette needed to conduct a successful investigation, and hear captivating personal anecdotes that reveal the potential risks and rewards of exploring haunted locations. Whether you're a music lover or fascinated by the paranormal, this episode offers a captivating blend of heartfelt stories, innovative technology, and spine-chilling adventures.  

Chapters

• 0:06 Music and Interviews With C Stevens
• 5:52 Memories and Musical Inspiration
• 20:08 Musical Collaboration and Creative Process
• 33:57 Rock Revolution and Legalities of Music
• 43:14 The Art of Radio Show Production
• 55:20 Navigating Social Media for Independent Artists
• 1:04:30 Navigating Social Media Restrictions for Musicians
• 1:13:18 Music Fan Appreciation and Industry Insight
• 1:18:11 Good Night Sleep and Paranormal Investigations
• 1:33:11 Paranormal Investigation Protocol and Etiquette
• 1:41:25 Respect and Professionalism in Paranormal Investigations
• 1:53:19 Paranormal Investigation Preparation and Planning

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:06

Thank you, we'll be right back, I'm going to go Metal door, cataract, rolling sign, race, go, High flight. Start to your plastic white kingdom and your future flows away, it's not going anywhere.

Speaker 1: 1:21

You can feel it as if glory has come. Mine Cats are wandering on the list of in the summer. If they're met, all the silos are abused. Thank you, take it, suffer and watch it as your mind goes.

Speaker 3: 2:29

And the future falls away. It's not going anywhere. You can feel it. Until it's stuck, the world will catch your mind. Catch your mind and when it's stuck In the summer It'll be a mess. All the stars are now used. They must be blind.

Speaker 3: 3:00

New in podcast land good music, trivia and more. Grab a drink, get comfy and don't. Well, I'm back and you're going to have to wait on the music. I'm Deb LaMotta and this is Out of the Attic. Live from Delaware.

Speaker 3: 3:12

My guests tonight are C Stevens of Ashfall Jungle Van at the top of the show and then the Paranormal team with George, paulette, karen and Tony coming up at 8.30. And George and the team will be talking about how an investigation is conducted. And then I sat down with C Stevens last night to find out all about his upcoming new single, take it Easy, which is set to release on October 6th on all streaming platforms. Music for tonight Well, c Stevens asked if he could choose some music for tonight's show from some of the music that he likes, from no fork, sarah and the others nitro, nitra, kid six, sit on six, incognito and blood union. I also have a couple of songs from the fods. That was one of that. There's the opening one uh, the metal dog from their recent album don't argue, that's right. The fods are a great band from the UK. From their most recent album Don't Argue, seven songs, seven styles. Each song has its own individual vibe, but being underpinned by the Fodds' distinctive guitar forward sound. Don't forget there is still time to be a sponsor or make a donation for the open house at Second Chance Ranch Horse Rescue. You can make a donation on their website, 2crdeorg, and we're really excited about the open house October 19th, 10 to 3, live music, food truck vendors, kid zone and demonstrations. Join us if you can. If you're in the Felton Delaware area, hey, and if you're not, fly in, okay.

Speaker 3: 4:42

Up next is my interview with C Stevens, and I'm going to get right to it tonight, because it was a great one and when C Stevens and I get together we can get a little chatty and I want to make sure I get everything in. Tonight we talked about his new release coming out, of course, on October 6th, and that is Take it Easy, and that's kind of where the conversation started, because I had a few false starts in the beginning. It was just one of those nights, yeah, you know how it goes. Anyway, I enjoyed this conversation with C Stevens. I hope you enjoy it just as much and I'll be after. I'll be back after the interview. Don't go anywhere, stay glued and listen. All right, so we're back. That's right. Right, I have with me c stevens of asphalt jungle band with me. Hey, c stevens, how are you? I'm so excited to have you here tonight I'm excited too good, uh, it's been a while since we've chatted.

Speaker 3: 5:38

Well, we usually get together every once in a while to have a live conversation, but tonight is kind of extra special and, uh, there's a few things we're gonna talk about, right all right, we're gonna talk about take it easy. Why this song?

Speaker 4: 5:54

well, um, a lot of people don't realize how wide of a range of music I have, uh, and I was always a huge duran duran fan, you know, and people will say, oh, they're a pop band, they're a new wave.

Speaker 4: 6:09

No, they, they were a good, they were just a good band. I mean, um, you look at the vocal phrasing that simon lebon did, um, you know, uh, nick rhodes was just a genius at laying uh the synthesizers in there and andy taylor was a great guitar player that people don't really realize because, you know, he couldn't show that off in durand around because it's not that kind of band. Right, you know it's not guitar driven, but he was a really good guitar player and, um, he did, uh, this song that I, I, I redid to take it easy for the American Anthem soundtrack and just always loved it, always loved it, loved the album that it came out on a year later, thunder, which was his solo record. And then, of course, a lot of people don't Some people will know that, some people won't but he wrote a lot of Belinda Carlisle's music.

Speaker 3: 7:03

Really.

Speaker 4: 7:04

When she went, when she went solo. Yes, oh, wow, yes, so yeah, he's a great guitar player. Uh, um, you know, uh, again, being in duran duran. You're not going to know that, but this song was just so I don't know, even as as a teenager. I just it was anthemic and I loved it. You know know, I just, and from that day, from back then in 87, I'm already thinking I'm going to do a version of this one day.

Speaker 3: 7:31

Oh, my God so this has been on your bucket list for a while.

Speaker 4: 7:35

Oh yeah, that happens to me, I I get an idea to do a song and then another band goes ahead and does it. So you know case in point well, case in point well, case in point, disturbed did uh land of confusion by genesis exactly how I would have done it see, it's like yeah, so yeah, that's what happens all right.

Speaker 3: 7:56

So you got this song. You gotta take it easy. Um, you finally get to the point where you you're going to do it and uh, did you start out?

Speaker 4: 8:05

always going to be doing a music, music video with it no, um, because you know, going back to our last uh uh, you know interview, you know I I released the ep destination unknown and I didn't do any videos for that, you know I just I just felt I'm gonna let the music breathe for itself. But also I was getting a little too busy in personal life to be doing all these videos and stuff. So, no, I wasn't going to do a video for this song, I really wasn't. What made me actually go ahead and pull the trigger on that has to do with my father.

Speaker 3: 8:44

Right, so yep, so take it easy. You've been working on this for a while, probably right before then. Yeah, yeah, so all right, so yes.

Speaker 4: 9:01

So I'm working on it and it's coming along decently and I'm like, okay, it's going to be a decent throwaway track, as I call it, just something to throw out there. And you know, then my dad got definitely ill and then it just, I mean, within a couple of weeks he had passed away. So at that point I'm like inside of a shell. I don't know if I'm going to continue with Ashfall Jungle. I don't know if I'm going to continue with Ashfall Jungle. I don't know if I'm going to continue with Let your Hair Down Power or nothing.

Speaker 4: 9:26

You know, because my father wasn't just my father, he was my best friend. We would go out and people would not recognize us as father, son, and I mean looks and the way we acted around each other. So there there was a very close, close friendship between me and him. Also, there was a you know, a you know rivalry between us playing guitar, but you know he's, he's, he's on a. He was on a different level than me. He was from the old school, you know the 60s and the early 70s and stuff, and he's real huge in the progressive rock, but you know he's all about melodies and stuff, which is where I'm at now, which is kind of ironic, but it was always funny. When it came to any blazing rock solo or rock riff or something like that, he would call me Really, yeah, because I'm from the school of the Eddie Van Halens, the Steve Eyes, you know stuff like that, and he loves all that.

Speaker 4: 10:40

But he never sat down and tried to play like them, didn't try to learn. But you know, he never sat down and tried to play like them, didn't try to learn that. The guys he learned from was, you know, like the safaris, the ventures, things like that. So, and Chet Atkins was another huge one for him, so you know. So it really was blues and he actually loved to play bluegrass, believe it or not, he could do it well, yeah, he could do it well. He could do it well, yeah, he could do it well, he could do it well, he really could. So when it came, like I said, when it came down to hard rock, heavy rock stuff, he always leaned on me for stuff like that, cool, so. But yeah, going back to it. So I didn't know where I was going to go.

Speaker 4: 11:21

You know, it hit me pretty hard, hit me pretty fast because, well, I mean two months prior, he's in perfect health, supposedly right you know.

Speaker 4: 11:28

And then all all of a sudden, now you got stage four cancer. You got a couple weeks to live. Yeah well, how? How'd they miss that? But you know anyways.

Speaker 4: 11:37

So I put everything on hold and while I was down there, um, getting the affairs order, helping mom out, things like that, getting her situated I well, let me back up. So a couple weeks, actually, about two, three weeks before all this went down, I had a conference call with Brian Moore and John from Rock Rage Radio and Curtain Call Records and all that, cause they we check in with each other every once in a while and cause I am a rock rage radio artist that I'm on their CD sampler they give out at concerts. So we were just talking, throwing the ideas, spit balling, you know, and things like that. And John brought up he goes, you got to hear this. I typed it all into this ai engine and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and it spit it out and it was a hairband song and it was pretty good.

Speaker 4: 12:32

It really was, but at the same time you could still tell it was computer generated. And what I mean by that is the. You won't have the bending of the notes of the guitar, the sliding into the note of the guitar. You won't have a certain type of vocal phrasing. You won't hear breathing. Sometimes you can hear somebody take a breath when they're really trying to get the emotion across.

Speaker 3: 13:00

Exactly. Well, that's it. It doesn't have any life.

Speaker 4: 13:03

Right. So still a good song, but like he was doing it just to say, hey, I'm going to give this to some other bands, go ahead and redo this, so killer idea. So the bug was there to kind of look into it, but I was against it. I was totally against it because I'm, you know, I'm, you know me, I do, I like, I like to do everything, everything, everything the right way, every instrument the right way, everything. So I'm reading up on this a little bit more, just because I, I'm, like I said, I'm, I'm. I knew I was in a weird headspace and I was just trying to, you know, right, get in a good headspace. So I'm reading up on this. And the funny thing is is I I started watching the documentary on how, uh, paul m McCartney and I can't remember the producer's name, oh, but anyways how they used AI to extract the.

Speaker 3: 13:55

John, yeah, john John's vocal Exactly.

Speaker 4: 13:58

Because what it was with that song now and then when he wrote it, it was done on a cassette tape, yeah, so it was all grainy, all scratchy and everything else. So you know, him and ringo and everybody they redid the music perfectly did their own thing. George got to play on it before he died, thank god right. So they had to go back and get his stuff. But um, again, going back to john's vocal, so they used ai to extract this, make a model of his voice, and and that's the voice you hear, it's john lennon. It is john lennon, exactly so it you know.

Speaker 4: 14:33

And it got me thinking. I was like maybe this could be used for a good tool after all. So I contacted a couple companies. You know, here's what I want to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. And one of them said well, do you have recordings of your dad? I said, actually I do. So I started pulling stuff off my phone, started you know anything that I had of him and I sent it to them and they made this model of him talking.

Speaker 4: 14:59

Amazing, oh, it freaked me out. It really did sound like them. Uh, it really did. They got the phrasing down, everything. Now here's the thing that a lot of people don't realize with when it comes to all this ai stuff, you still have to sing the line, right, you still have to be in key. Everything, all the phrasing, everything has to be there right Now. You load your vocal track up into their engine Crazy and then, yeah, you pick what voice you want and it sings it back in that voice, but again, you still have to do the work. So I'm like, okay, this is still doing the work.

Speaker 3: 15:39

Right, so it still feels like you and not just automated Yep.

Speaker 4: 15:45

So these models that they made of my father are speaking. Okay, they're all speaking, it's all phonetic and phonetics and all that kind of stuff. So I still had to sing those backup vocals, upload it into the search and, of course, pick my custom, custom creation, which is him, and then boom, now it spits it out, which was even more freaky because it did sound like him.

Speaker 3: 16:12

It really did I remember you telling me this part, and and we'll get back to that in a moment, because we're going to take a break and and listen to one of your songs that you have picked out, uh, that, yeah, see, steven sent me a list. He he says I don't want to hijack your show, but I'm going to anyway. So here's my song list. I was like, hey, hey, we'll go with that.

Speaker 5: 16:31

So we're going to, we're going to take a break and we will be back Yep, I said it before and I'll say it again life moves pretty fast, you don't stop to look around once in a while you could miss it.

Speaker 1: 16:52

Take a walk in my hometown, just soaking up Two feet on the ground, tired of looking down and staring at my reflection, the birds and the bees, the wind and the trees.

Speaker 1: 17:30

I survive at various speeds. It's a nervous cat, the curious neighbor who waves me over. Life is beautiful. What a wonderful day. Life is beautiful. Then he had this to say A simple bed, a simple house, four walls, a spouse and someone to love me.

Speaker 1: 17:55

Don't ask much and don't ask why Live and learn and don't we die, die. Soak up the sunshine of the pouring rain, get off your ass and stop living with the guilt and the shame. No need for perfection and no time for constraint. Paint a pretty picture, unwind and create. Life is beautiful. No reason to hide. Life is beautiful, don't be so fucking blind. A simple bed, a simple house. Life is beautiful. Don't be so fucking blind. A simple bed, a simple house, four walls, a spouse and someone to love me. Don't ask much and don't ask why we live and learn and then we die. A simple bed, a simple house, four walls, a spouse and someone to love me. Don't ask much and don't ask why we're living and burning and we die. And for what? It's still a little house. I want no house. Someone to love me, don't ask much and don't ask why we're living and burning and we die. It's pretty.

Speaker 3: 19:25

It's a pretty song. I am loving this part about AI and your dad and how it all came about, because I know for a fact that you really went through a hard time, a hard period, and rightfully so. And so doing and working with the AI program and getting to hear your dad's voice to be on this song just had to be heart-wrenching too.

Speaker 4: 19:50

Yeah, it was. But it's the funny thing, it's what pulled my excuse how I'm going to say this my head out of my ass. It got me out of it. It really did. It gave me the kick in the butt that I needed. I was like, okay, if I don't do anything ever again, this is going to be it.

Speaker 3: 20:07

This is it.

Speaker 4: 20:08

Let's do this and anybody, any musicians out there listening, look into this stuff seriously, because even the ones that supposedly have the model of, we'll say, Madonna or Lady Gaga or whatever, remember, yeah, it's going to give you that vocal back, but you still have to sing it.

Speaker 1: 20:25

You still have to sing it, you still have to sing it perfectly if you sing it off key guess what?

Speaker 4: 20:29

lady? Yeah, lady gaga singing off key here's. Here's the reason why I'm bringing this up. I'm going to continue using this going forward because it's a great tool to get backup vocals for a one-man band who can't sit there and do all those vocals. So if I want a female vocalist of a certain style, I can upload my vocal track up there and now I got that backup vocal. Yes, the vocal harmonizers are pretty good, but honestly and you know, because you've heard the song, yeah, you heard the song before and you heard it after, yeah, and I went back in and I did more vocal tracks and I uploaded them and used some of their models of female singers and male singers to give me those backup vocals and, honestly, it sounds like I had those people in the studio.

Speaker 3: 21:21

It is amazing and you're right. I have listened to it, people in the studio. It is amazing and you're right, I have listened to it. And if you did not know how this song was put together by you with using the AI tool, you wouldn't know it. And you know. We've talked about AI, you know, almost a year ago, and my thing has always been you know, if it's used properly, it's a great tool. And here's the perfect scenario for you using it for your dad being part of Take it Easy.

Speaker 4: 21:49

Yeah, and, like I said, going forward using it for other backup vocals, I'm never going to use it for a lead vocal To me, that's, I'm sorry. No, yeah, somebody else might Go ahead and do it. But I don't agree with it right but I mean, and the whole, the whole fun in and making it, writing a song, recording a song is the steps that you get to the end, right, that that's the enjoyment of it, right? You know? So if you let a computer totally generate the thing for you, what have you really done?

Speaker 3: 22:22

so being part of it. You know the ai, you know being a tool and being part of it. You know the AI, you know being a tool and being part of it. I you know just not only you, but there's been other indie artists lately that have been using the tool as well to enhance or, to you know, be part of it's not the whole, well, actually. So let's just talk really quick. You got it.

Speaker 3: 22:38

You have your show coming out October 4th for Let your Hair Down Power Hour. I always get it first, I get to listen to it on a Sunday morning while I'm drinking my coffee, because that's my thing, and you will be the first as I thought it should be to debut Take it Easy on that show Friday night. So C Stephen says oh, you know what the heck with it, deb, you can debut it, but I think that it is such a special tribute to your dad, everything that you have put into Heart and Soul, we are not listening to it tonight, so we are leading up to that which I just think is that's the way it should be. With that being said, though, you have done so much work, not only with using the AI, but then you put this music video together.

Speaker 4: 23:24

Yeah with using the AI, but then you put this music video together, yeah. So the whole idea was not to do like I said, not to do a music video, but the song is basically just saying take it easy, take it easy in life. He's talking to a girl, a girlfriend, take it easy. Why should we worry about all the hangups? Let's just have fun. So I started thinking about that and I was like you know what? I could have some fun with this if people will get behind this and, of course, you, uh, you, um, you helped out with this, uh, tremendously. We put the ads out there. Hey, any asphalt jungle fans or followers and and fellow, uh, fellow independent musicians want to be a part of this video, contact me and wow.

Speaker 3: 24:06

And the response was Well.

Speaker 4: 24:08

The funny thing is I didn't get as many independent artists as I thought I would. Okay, Ones that I got was the actual fans, but they're like I don't want to sing and I'm like you don't understand, You're not going to be singing, You're going to be lip singing. And they're like no, I'd rather do something else. So I got all this great footage of people acting.

Speaker 3: 24:32

I don't want to say dumb, but you know, just acting goofy acting.

Speaker 4: 24:34

Yeah, there you go. Uh, kristin, the one girl singing into her electric toothbrush is, it's my favorite part of them the whole the whole video. Um, you've got other people doing little dances. You've got I can't remember her name, but the girl down there in australia she's at the northern most point of australia you know, she points to the sign that tells you so. And then the uh, the kids at the end, uh, those, kids at the end.

Speaker 1: 24:57

You know where'd you?

Speaker 4: 24:58

find them. They shared that with me. The thing that my the asphalt jungle fans shared some of that stuff with me and some of the uh, the two girls doing that dance, that's what right in rhythm with the song right, those are fans.

Speaker 3: 25:13

Oh my gosh, that is so cool and yeah, so that was really cool.

Speaker 4: 25:17

So I got my buddy, mike gable. He had he had to be in this because mike's been there from the beginning and I love what he did because he's like just so laid back like you know, take it easy, you know, and sit on the park bench right, I like that yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 25:30

And then, of course, sintel knocked it out of the park, and then the boys over there, truth music uh, jd, I am marshall, I love what they did. And then, of course, miss high playing the bass she was having a blast doing that, so that was a lot of fun. Um, and then, of course, miss Hyde playing the bass. She was having a blast doing that, so that was a lot of fun. And then, of course, there's this other footage that I grabbed from iStock that I felt would go good with it, and it does. The beginning of the video, the intro to it.

Speaker 4: 25:55

I won't say what it is but the first scene actually a shout out to Y&T, the band Y&T and the video Summertime Girls. Anybody that knows YNT and the video Summertime Girls, anybody who knows YNT and the video for Summertime Girls, how the intro goes they're going to get it. They're going to get what that nod is. That's why I did that.

Speaker 3: 26:12

Yeah, I mean I've listened to the song, I've gotten to watch the music video and I can't wait till you release it all next week. And hold those thoughts, because we'll be right back. We've got another favorite of whose, C Stevens of the Ashfall Jungle Band.

Speaker 1: 26:45

And I'll be right back. Little Johnny and me were friends. We sat together like blue camps as a meeting meant so much. It's sad to see you without a touch guitar solo to run. It seems a shame. We've all grown. Oh, it's sad to see Little Joan is leaving me. Oh, what can I do? She's got a flower somebody new. We've got a thousand by you so long as we've been going strong, two singers just to sing at one song. Now it's over and it's gone so fast. She's in the future and I'm in the past. Yeah, whoa, it's sad to see Little Jodie's leavin' me. Whoa, what can I do? She kinda found somebody new. Little Julie's leaving me Whoa, what can I do? She's got a clown somebody new. Whoa, it's sad to see Little Julie's leaving me. Whoa, what can I do? She's got a crown somebody new.

Speaker 3: 29:05

All right, I'm telling you I don't have to do too much. Tonight I get to talk to you. C Stevens and I already have my set list because somebody hijacked my show tonight. Great songs we're listening to tonight, so it's always fun. I kind of haven't done this before where I've had an artist or a guest say hey, you know, I'd love to share some of this. You know stuff that I'm listening to. You know, and on the on the list, you know, no forks, sarah and the others, nitro, nitro, nitro, which I think I put you on to them because Yep, yep, they're, they, they're, they're from the area um, and there's a big concert here, uh, it's called the ladybug concert and it's all females and they were part of that. Uh, last year we got kid six, sin on six. We've got incognito, ideal horizon, blood union, oh, and that that band, ashfall jungle band, too, you can pick some of his own songs.

Speaker 3: 30:13

Come on, you know we have this much fun, but what made you think of doing that?

Speaker 4: 30:18

I just well, you know we both, we both love helping the independent community. We really do, both of us do, and that's the whole reason for Let your hair down. Pal hour is one. Okay, you get to get inside my head and get to uh hear the music that I love oh, wait, wait, I'm gonna interrupt that.

Speaker 3: 30:37

I, I got to pick one too, and I I'm gonna throw mine out, and it's the bods from the uk who have a new album out. Uh, you know. So I had he did. Let me do something tonight.

Speaker 4: 30:50

All right, go ahead I told you to pick a couple, but anyways, uh, but no, um, so I, you know, and let your head on power is just, uh, pulling back the curtain, getting inside my head seeing the music that really, really gets me and and of course you know it, it's always the 80s hair bands and stuff like that, and I hate that name the hair bands, but oh well, because not all, not all more hair bands.

Speaker 4: 31:16

But, anyways, but you know, that's the best way I can say it to the listener so they can understand. But yeah, and then bridging that gap with five or six independent bands that are still doing that kind of great rock and roll, that great hard rock. So I have a lot of fun doing that and I just thought, you know, yeah, we could sit here and play nothing but asphalt jungle songs, but how pretentious would that be.

Speaker 4: 31:41

I'm sorry, yeah, I you know, I just want to give it back. You know, I just really, really wanted to give it back.

Speaker 3: 31:49

I think it's great. I think it was a great idea for for tonight's show um, because, like you said, we both like to do as much supporting of the indie artists. But let me tell you, let your hair down. Power hour um did start and you were doing once a week, which we know gets crazy with you know your schedule, my schedule, trying to fit everything in and of course, everything kind of exploded for you when your dad passed away. You had taken a hiatus from everything, which I totally understood, and I always prayed a little bit that you would get back to a better spot, which you have. And so the Let your Hair Down Power Hour is going to be once a month, on the first Friday of every month, and your next show will be coming up on October 4th, where you will be debuting and premiering. Take it Easy.

Speaker 4: 32:38

Yep, yep and yeah, some other great bands. One I do want to shout out to is he's my best friend, he's fast becoming my best friend, and that would be Crip. 13 is going to be kicking off the show.

Speaker 3: 32:54

Yeah, it is so great.

Speaker 2: 32:55

And again I got to.

Speaker 3: 32:55

I already got to listen to it. So I get to listen to it again, which I absolutely love, and Crypt 13,. Kurt is such a such a great person. I've talked to him as well, so, yeah, that's such a great tribute to everybody.

Speaker 4: 33:06

Yeah, yeah, I mean, and when you know, when? The little caveat, of course, is sarah and the others, you know oh my gosh that's my, that's my girl, right there. Oh my god, I absolutely love her voice, absolutely, yeah, yeah so absolutely a little teaser for everybody and probably, hopefully, sarah and peter won't get mad, but we're finally doing a, a, a. What do you call it? Collaboration of a song?

Speaker 3: 33:33

Oh my God, I cannot wait. I love collabs. You never know what's going to come out of the studio.

Speaker 4: 33:40

Oh, yeah, I mean. Yeah, I mean I can go ahead and announce this one I got one and work with Connie Zunich from from Detour, me and Mike Abel will probably be revisiting an idea that we were supposed to do earlier this year, but we'll probably do it next year. Me and Kurt are throwing around a lot of ideas right now. We're just trying to find the one that works. So what me and Kurt have an idea is there'll be one song that will probably be an original his, and it'll be Crypt 13 featuring Asphalt Jungle. There is a possibility where there's going to be an original of mine which will be Asphalt Jungle featuring Crypt 13, or it's going to be a remake Not a cover, but a remake.

Speaker 5: 34:27

Oh cool that one.

Speaker 4: 34:28

I can't wait for Take it easy is probably well. No, I'd be lying if I said that. So Take it Easy is going to be. Well, it still isn't really a cover, because I didn't play it like Andy Taylor did. I did do it in the same key, I did do it in the same tempo, but I rewrote the guitar parts to be more like me me, but still, it's still the. You can put the two side by side and they're still the same. But I'm not going to do cover tunes that much anymore. Uh, the one that I referred to with mike abel earlier, that will be a dead on cover song. But going forward, I'm going to do what I did with America, where I take a song, I strip it down and I rewrite it as if I wrote it.

Speaker 3: 35:14

That's so cool, and I loved America, as you know, that was one of my favorites absolutely. Oh my gosh. All right, well, speaking of songs, we're going to take a break and we'll be right back. Get ready for the rock revolution. Get ready for the rock revolution.

Speaker 1: 35:56

Get ready for the rock revolution. Get ready for the rock revolution. Get ready for the rock revolution. I grew up in church Telling me how some words. Now I'm feeling like a political star. I'm the same. Walk in black shape, listen to zombie girls. Speak up some lithium, then I'll hide. Come to the light, put on my white stripes, headed to the downside of the moon, screaming out my boy, I'm excited for the hell Chris Cornell is going to show. So come on and dream on to the city where I have fun. This is the time I ain't living on a prayer. I got my magic man and poppy bogey as we burn down our highway to hell. Get ready for the rock Revolution. Get ready for the rock Revolution. I'm saying why the hell I'm so? Pressure Cause she's so old. Get ready for the rock. Get ready for the rock revolution. I'm the city of the hell and soul. How should this she so hold?

Speaker 1: 37:20

Some call me back to the bone. I was born. Tell me what Slitty fool Gentle kiss my bad time in his smile. Call it cause of personality. Many follow me. She's so heavy. She is a beast. I'm a queen. Break free, get some back up and leave fling. Give it away to me. So come on and play folks, and I'll sail with heaven. I don't care about my bad reputation If I die tomorrow. You understand, i'ma wait till the power's dead. Thank you For a revolution, a revolution, a revolution. Guitar solo. I'm trying to stay away from heaven. Run away. Train ain't never coming back. I'm not so thick and sore over the stars. I think it's time to have a rock star. Get ready, all right. Get ready, all right. Get ready, all right. Revolution. Get ready, all right. Get ready, all right. Get ready, all right. Revolution. Get ready All right Revolution.

Speaker 3: 39:33

We are back. This is Out of the Attic, live from Delaware, and my guest tonight is none other than C Stevens of Ashfall Jungle Band and we are talking about all things music and Take it Easy. And I want to go back to kind of the beginning of Take it Easy, because you had some issues and you weren't quite sure you were going to get it off the ground. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Speaker 4: 39:59

I can and I can't. Yeah, there are legalities to it. So if you go out there right now on Spotify, amazon or any of the streaming platforms and you punch in Take it Easy by Andy Taylor, you will not find it. You will find a karaoke version but you will not find the original version. If you bring up the American Anthem soundtrack, you will not see Take it Easy on there on the streaming platforms. Same thing for his solo album Thunder. There is legalities that are going on between him and atlantic records and all them. I can't get into that.

Speaker 4: 40:33

An independent artist puts out music, whether it's through tunecore, disco, boy, cd, baby, whatever you get a isrc number, all that number is is a number to say, okay, this, this song for you to be out on the stream platform, it's one year. So every year, however much it costs you to put that song out, you have to pay that licensing fee. Again. You're publishing. Publishing is you do a cover tune? Now you have to acquire that license for permission. Whoever owns the licensing rights to that song can to do that song. All the royalties and stuff like that come later on when I saw that, I was like oh, my god, what's going on here?

Speaker 4: 41:15

I was like why can't I find this song on any streaming platform? Like I said, I got the background on a bunch of legalities, stuff like that. I had to purchase the licensing. I own the licensing to take it easy. Now the cool thing about that is is I, you know the, if somebody went out there right now and did take it easy with their band and they post on YouTube, I don't get anything from that. Right, because they didn't apply for the licensing for it. Right, but if you apply, if you apply the licensing, yeah, I get a little chunk of that now, there you go yeah.

Speaker 4: 41:46

But yeah, that's the most I can say about that.

Speaker 3: 41:49

That's fine, cause it was crazy. You know all the things that you kind of had to go through in the beginning to get this, you know, started and off the ground and you're going to do it. You weren't going to do it, you, you weren't doing anything. And so I'm so glad that you're finally here and you are just about a week away from the release date, because the release date is October 6th on all your streaming platforms and it'll be debuting on your show Friday night, october 4th. So I also know that your mom is one of your biggest fans and always has been. What was her reaction when she first listened to? Uh, take it Easy she doesn't know.

Speaker 3: 42:27

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4: 42:29

Nope, I have not told she knows I have a song coming out and that I'm very excited about it. That's all she knows.

Speaker 3: 42:36

Wow, you're good for not spilling the beans, so does she like to listen to your show on Friday night?

Speaker 4: 42:44

No, it's a little heavy for her, but sometimes it's not. I'm going to really have people laughing at this one the Flesh and Blood Tour for Poison. My mom was my date and she wanted to go. I'd already been. I'd already been when they came through to Charlotte, when they came down to Atlanta. She loves Poison, she really does, she loves Poison. I took her to the show. Oh my gosh. So my mom does listen to some hard rock but, yeah, some of the stuff that I play, she's like I don't like that.

Speaker 3: 43:14

Can't wait to hear what her reaction is because, knowing all that had happened, all that led up to it, all your you know blood, sweat and tears to get it, you know off the ground and going and then putting the video together and getting people to, you know, sending ground and going and then putting the video together and getting people to you know sending clips and you, I mean there was a lot that was going on.

Speaker 3: 43:33

So, for you, and I'm so glad that we're finally here a week, just about a week out to the release of it all, yeah, it's a, it's a great one. I can't wait for everybody else to hear because, like I said, I've heard it and with that, we'll be right back.

Speaker 1: 45:15

Guitar solo We'll be right back. Little Betty, we'll be right back. Little Betty, little Betty, little Betty, little Betty, little Betty, little Betty, little Betty, little Betty, little Betty, guitar solo We'll be right back. And little Betty, she wants to have some fun. She's not stopping Until the morning sun. Little Betty left you today A little better. I want to play A little better. It's not a day or a night, nobody's leaving Little Betty behind. A little better, I want behind A little Betty, little Betty, a little Betty, little Betty, a little Betty, little Betty, nobody's leaving little Betty behind, all right.

Speaker 3: 47:29

So we've got C Stevens here with me. We've been talking about Take it Easy and AI programming. We've been talking about you know what it's taken, c Stevens, to get to this point that you're a week out for the release of Take it Easy and everything that's gone into it. Let's talk about the show a little bit, though. You put a lot of time and effort into it. I had asked you, I don't know. I asked Loves to write, and so his emails can be a little lengthy. It's a good thing I brought my cup of coffee, but I just wanted to know, you know, how did you think it all out? How'd you put it all together? Because it just, you know, you just don't throw it together no, I don't.

Speaker 4: 48:17

so basically, I I start out with a template of five independent bands that I search, or if they uh send me a link, I I have posted where I don't want MP3s, I don't want them.

Speaker 4: 48:31

And there's two reasons for that. One, you're robbing me of the journey to listen to all your stuff and to get to know you as a band better. Also, you're robbing me of the fact that I purchased all the independent bands' songs that I play on the show. It's another way to give back to the, to the independent bands, but so I I usually I start off with five. That's the magic number normally. Of course, this one here has, I think, seven. This show coming up right. I start off with five bands that all their songs work well together. Okay, so that if I really was a radio station and I played all five of these songs back to back, it would flow nicely. Of course, those, those independent bands, won't be played back to back, you know, in the show.

Speaker 4: 49:17

So then, what I do there is now I go searching for deep cuts, because we've talked about this that's right, that's right I mean, okay, I if I'm, if rat rat is going to be played on my show, you will never hear Round and Round, you're never going to hear it. I like to play the deeper cuts, the unknown cuts or the true fan cuts. So then I go and search for songs like that that work with those independent bands, and then I put it all together, I let it play and then I make the changes, blah, blah, blah. Once I've got that all set down into what would maybe be an hour show because it is an hour show, that's right I try to leave myself maybe 10 minutes to 13 minutes of talk. That's about it. So then I go back. I know that's very hard for me too.

Speaker 3: 50:04

I didn't say anything.

Speaker 1: 50:07

It was the look on your face.

Speaker 4: 50:11

But anyway, so I actually write a script, I script this out, I write out what I'm going to say. I know, I know, you know, because sometimes I do try to give a little background on those independent bands, where you can go find them or how they formed or where they're from, maybe even where they're playing next. I like to do that too, and then I also try to give a little insights on some of those, the well-known bands too. You know little tidbits that I know or that I've come across in years and still like that. So yeah, so I stripped it all out and then I actually rehearse it, I rehearse this and then I finally go back and do vocal takes and I then I I mix it down and I give it to you on Sunday morning for your coffee.

Speaker 3: 50:58

That's right. So, and if you know me, I love my coffee. I'm up at five o'clock every morning and Sunday mornings I got my cup of coffee looking for my email. So I like to listen to repeats because now that you're only doing the show once a month, it's like, oh okay, fine, but that's a lot. And it was a lot for you doing it once a week because of all the work that you put into this one hour, one hour show each week. So I you know, even though as much as I was disappointed, um, and being selfish, I didn't want you to cut back, but I totally get it because you know, just doing what you do to prep for it.

Speaker 4: 51:32

I would say researching the music, researching the bands, you know, finding all the music I'm going to play, writing the script and then rehearsing it down to the time that I mix it down and give it to you. I probably have 10, 12 hours in it.

Speaker 3: 51:46

Yeah, for one show, which is it? Yeah? For one show which is for one show. Crazy, yeah, and in fact. And then you also throw in, uh, the segment on um what was going on in music, and that, whatever year you do, you choose right, yeah, so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 51:59

Well, what it is, it's always that week, that week in music history. Yeah, so yeah, and then it goes by the dates. But that's a lot of fun too to go look that up and to give that information to people. I like doing that too. So again, you know, I'm probably spending 10 to 12 out man hours, as you would say it on, on putting this show together. So that's why it couldn't be a week anymore. Now, if I didn't have a job and and and Astral Jungle was making money like it's like I would wish it would, then would, uh, then yeah, I could do it, I could do this show every week, but you know, having a job no I know it gets in the way well, you know, and I'm lucky because I don't have kids and I'm not married.

Speaker 4: 52:40

So imagine if I had kids and I was married, I wouldn't be doing this show. There's no way it's hard.

Speaker 3: 52:44

I mean, you know I've had other guests say the same thing too. Um, you know mark johnson was doing lives for us and between you know I've had other guests say the same thing too. You know Mark Johnson was doing lives for us and between you know, everything else that he was doing it was a lot. So he did his. You know he was on for four weeks and then decided that he wasn't able to. Well, his wife kind of needed more time, so I could totally get that and family time and everything, everything else. But word has it he might be coming back on that one, but so I hope so. Yeah, I love Mark. Um, so yeah, it is a lot.

Speaker 3: 53:16

I mean I am not as polished as you are every week with my show, but I know what the time and effort that I do put into it. Um, and along with everybody else that you know comes on, I've got the DJ nordique and the time that he puts it in for his show, the podcast. Um, you know paul dylan with his the best of indie irish indie. It's a lot. People don't realize, I think, sometimes how much time and effort that everybody puts into, and even all the other independent radio shows as well, um you know out there it's, it's, it's work, um.

Speaker 3: 53:48

It's work that we all have a passion for, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it. Um. But uh, with your show, the end results.

Speaker 4: 53:56

It's so polished and so professional, um, that if you ever leave me, I'll never talk to you again no, not going anywhere, so, but I I wish I could find a way to post that show on YouTube. I really do. I tried to do it and they hit me for all the strikes and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 54:17

That's why.

Speaker 4: 54:19

And I don't understand it, because there's other YouTube channels out there that play the set list of regular artists and they allow it. I don't get it. So I need to talk to some YouTubers that know the ins and outs a little better, because I think it'd be kind of fun to sit in front of a camera and show you what I do, you know, and maybe play some of the videos from those bands.

Speaker 3: 54:46

Oh, there you go, but you know we'll have to talk, because you can do that on the video player, on the r2rb okay, all right, yeah, that there's another idea.

Speaker 4: 54:56

Yep, okay write that one down yeah, I ain't gonna put it on facebook, because you know how they are oh my gosh, so lately with, not lately.

Speaker 3: 55:04

So the last several months with facebook, since you brought it up, um has just been totally insane and I forgot what I saw today. What happened today? There was something else that happened with facebook, it's just. Is it just indie artists, is it just everybody? I mean, I know, for me, I've told this story. I had shared a new album release of a band and I have been, and since then it was, you know, um hit for um explicit blah, blah, blah blah. It's like there's nothing explicit of anything except whatever. So it's really things that are happening that, uh, there and I have said this before also that change is coming yeah, yeah, yeah, it is coming.

Speaker 4: 55:50

I mean, um, oh, boy you, you led me into a, you suckered me into this go ahead, you got it wait wait, wait, don't.

Speaker 3: 56:00

Don't go there yet. I know he's dying, guys, he's dying. It's Cause we're going to be right back after this song. Won't you come see about me, I'll be alone.

Speaker 2: 56:31

Dancing, you know it. Baby, tell me your troubles and doubts. Give me everything, inside and out. Love's strange, so real in the dark. Think of the tender things that we were working on. Slow change may pull us apart.

Speaker 2: 56:51

When the light gets into your heart, baby, don't you forget about me. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't you forget about me. Will you stand above me, look my way and never love me? The rain keeps falling. The rain keeps falling Down, down, down. Will you recognize me? Call my name or walk on by? The rain keeps falling. The rain keeps falling Down, down, down, down, hey, hey, hey, hey, ooh, don't you try and pretend your smart feelings will win in the end. I won't allow you to touch your defenses. Vanity, that's security. Now, don't you forget about me. I'll be alone, dancing, you know it, baby, going to take you apart. I'll put us back together at last. Baby, don't you forget about me. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't you forget about me as you walk on by. Will you call my name as you walk on by? Will you call my name when you walk away? Will you walk away?

Speaker 1: 59:31

Come on. La la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la la. When you walk on by, will you call my name?

Speaker 3: 59:58

Don't you walk away. We are back and we're going to talk about Facebook. I threw out my two cents. He's going to throw out his 10 cents Go All right.

Speaker 4: 1:00:15

If I make anybody mad, please don't hold it against me. It's just an opinion. If Facebook continues the way that they're going, especially against the independent community, so be it Okay, because you know what? Facebook is not the place to brand your, your music. It's not okay, it's, it's just not. Uh, yes, it's a tool to get other listeners and to. The greatest tool in my opinion is is the networking with the other musicians.

Speaker 4: 1:00:47

Uh, if it wasn't for fox and sticks doing, uh, a band together, and then I I got, you know, I had that relationship with them for a little while. And then vox and sticks, uh, christina, coming out doing that interview show, and then she interviews crip 13. And then I'm watching the show and I find out crip kurt lives just not too far from me. So it's things like that that it's been great on Facebook. But to sit there and put all your effort in thinking that Facebook is going to be the platform to get your music heard, you're in for disappointment. So you know what, if Facebook does keep going the trend that it's going, it's no big loss other than us all becoming friends. And you know cause? I wouldn't know you, nope, I wouldn't know Kurt. I wouldn't know Christina, I wouldn't know Berlos, I wouldn't know any of those people. That's the beauty of it. That is the beauty of it. But that's what a social media platform is supposed to do okay.

Speaker 4: 1:01:47

So I don't know why they're doing what they're doing. I, I, I, I don't. I don't even have an opinion on it because it doesn't make sense. But I got a funny feeling that most of us independent artists I would say 90, 95 of us aren't even established enough on Facebook to make them any money.

Speaker 3: 1:02:07

Exactly, and we know how it is.

Speaker 1: 1:02:10

Everything comes down to money.

Speaker 4: 1:02:13

Bingo, yeah, so I'm thinking that's what it is, because if you don't have 10,000 followers, you are not eligible to be the whole meta thing where you can be gaining money just like on YouTube, right? So if you don't have 10,000 followers, you're not eligible. And how many of us are so short of that? A lot of us. So you know again, guys, you've got to get out there and look at other avenues, to get your music out there and heard Again. It's great, the community is great. I love everybody in it, I love what everybody tries to do. But I think the changes are coming. We're going to be swept under the rug and we're not going to be on Facebook anymore. That's how I see it.

Speaker 3: 1:03:01

Yeah, something like that. I agree that something along those lines. It's either going to be, you know, a subscription for indie artists to be able to showcase their you know, their music their selves, and it's not going to help. It's not going to be helping the indie community, it's unfortunately. But there's other avenues to use out there too. So you just have to take a minute to, you know there's plenty of, as I said, independent radio shows. There's plenty of other ways to have your you know, get your music out there. Streaming still is going to be the way for everybody to listen to it. Um, to make, and you know you just have to kind of think outside the box.

Speaker 4: 1:03:46

Yeah, and again, I mean, what's the best thing anybody can do is, you know you have your band page, but you also have your personal page. That way you can still stay connected with all these great musicians that you become friends with and that you want to help. You can do it through your personal. That's the one place I've found that they don't strike you at, so I can. I can sit there all day long on my personal page and post stuff for every band that I love and even play their videos, and I don't get a strike. I do it on the asphalt jungle page. Oh, why are you doing this? Oh, you're. You're blocked for 24 hours because it doesn't meet community standards. But wait, wait a minute. That 18-year-old girl taking her top off does.

Speaker 3: 1:04:28

That was it too this afternoon. That's exactly. Well, it wasn't the girl taking her top off, but it was an ad for you know it was a little bit explicit and that's taken down, but the band that was posting about it, they got struck down for I don't know what. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 4: 1:04:48

And I mean I have seen it and I remember there was a little time there back in the beginning when Band Together was just starting to kind of take off for Christina and them, there would be people come in there and they would post porn videos. It's like, and if, if Christina and them didn't know about it, it would have kept going and Facebook never did a damn thing about it, yeah no, but we go out there and say, hey, go out here and listen to you know, listen to like incognito theory, touch strike, you know what the hell you know. Touch strike, you know what the hell you know. And especially, especially if you give a link outside of Facebook, all you've done the immortal sin right there.

Speaker 3: 1:05:34

Yeah, it's true, because when I post for the R2RB broadcasting and if I use, I still have issues Sometimes. If I'm using the URL for my website, it won't it, does you know? I'll write out this whole post, post it and it's like oh, yeah, no. So I have learned to copy and paste what I write because I get around that.

Speaker 4: 1:05:56

Well, here's the funny thing I had one happen to me earlier this year. So you know, in the info section where you fill everything out on on on your, you know, your, your, your, your, your right fan page, whatever you know, you list your youtube, you list your instagram, you list your your own web page, right, right, I got struck for giving out my own web page asphalt junglecom.

Speaker 3: 1:06:17

I got struck for that but do you know when this all started, really became prevalent?

Speaker 4: 1:06:23

Basically, it kind of started creeping in around May. It's gotten worse since July. July has been real bad.

Speaker 3: 1:06:32

And my theory is that it's AI, because now they're really able to send out all those spiders and take everything down that they feel shouldn't be used out there. And this is where I say that's when AI is not being used properly, when you're knocking down people that you shouldn't be. Ai doesn't care who you are.

Speaker 4: 1:06:55

Right, and I think you just stuck on something there. So the AI they're using the AI to do probably all these searches for certain words, certain things, like certain things and stuff and they mean well. They probably do mean well, but the bad thing is you're letting a robot, a computer, do something that has human touch to it. A human can see that something is not with community standards better than a computer can.

Speaker 3: 1:07:23

Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 4: 1:07:26

And that's where the problem comes in at.

Speaker 3: 1:07:28

It's frustrating. It is so frustrating with it all and I know we haven't seen the last of it. All right, folks don't go anywhere. We're going to have another song up, one of C Stevens, one of many that he listens to, and we'll be right back. Tired bones, broken homes, precious lives torn apart, bleeding hands, broken glass. It was so good before the start.

Speaker 1: 1:08:29

Hey for a breakdown. Torn up inside out, all we're these cars could be. Can I save my life? I'm under the boots. I cannot rest Panic. I can't explain Tortured cries within my chest. Gotta swallow the pain or I hey for a breakdown. So let me shine out. Only if it's just you and me Can I save my life, guitar solo Stringed by my brain Fighting to find the strength To break me free, break me out of this cage. Paid for a breakdown Torn up inside out. Only if these scars could heal Can I save my life. Ready for a breakdown torn up inside out, oh, if these scars could heal, can I save my life.

Speaker 3: 1:10:42

All right, we are back and we're winding it down with C Stevens of Ashfall Jungle Band. We have been talking about his upcoming new release, take it Easy. I cannot wait for the release. I've listened to it many times. We are not debuting it tonight.

Speaker 3: 1:11:17

As I said earlier, this song is near and dear to C Stevens for many different reasons, but the top of the list is because his dad is on this song with him in his heart. So he did say you know, deb, if you want to. Well, first it was like no, you're not sharing it, I'm doing it. I was like fine, whatever. And then C said that you know, no, no, you can go ahead. I was like no, I really felt that this song has meant so much to you. You have put so much into it I know personally what you've put into it that he is debuting. C Stevens is debuting the song on Let your Hair Down Power Hour, friday, october 4th. The show starts at 9 pm on r2rbcom. So please mark your calendars and tune in One. It's an awesome show and it is an awesome song. So please, please, mark your calendars and then it will be released October 6th on all the streaming platforms, wherever you listen to your music or purchase.

Speaker 4: 1:12:21

Yep, right. This is the one time where I didn't send a track out ahead of time to anybody. That's why I was like nope, you're not getting it, type of thing. I've done it always with you, every time You're always the first one. I won't name them. But the other independent radio personalities I give it to them. But the other independent radio personalities I give it to them too, usually a week or two later after you get it. And they've done me a solid, you've done me a solid, they've done me a solid. It does help set the song up, but, like you said how special this song was, it's like I just didn't want to do that this time. I wanted it to say boom, there it is in your face.

Speaker 3: 1:13:08

Yep, here it is, um, and maybe just talk about it yeah and that's, and that's what and that's what I wanted to do tonight was talk about take it easy, let your hair down. Power hour see stevens and nashville jungle band. Um, you know, because you have so much going on. You, you've got great music, you have been around, uh, for more than a minute and you've got a great fan base and you've worked hard at building that fame fan base, yeah, which we're gonna have to do another show.

Speaker 4: 1:13:39

I, I, I, I do always say that asphalt jungle has got the best fans in the world, and I I when always say that Asphalt Jungle has got the best fans in the world, and when I say that people, I mean it, I really do you guys amaze me. I am not like Wayne's World. We're not worthy. I'm not. I'm not worthy, I mean, but no, I have some of the best fans in the world. I'm not worthy, I mean, but no, I have some of the best fans in the world and I pinch myself every day that I have those fans that are listening to my music interacting with me sometimes, and you know I'm speechless. I am. This is just supposed to be a hobby for me and you guys have made it much more. You've made a lot of dreams come true so far. Again, ashfall Jungle fans are the best.

Speaker 3: 1:14:31

Yeah well, you deserve them. I mean, I have not been following you for a long time, but since the day that I started following you and listening to your music and sharing what we've shared with your music, you know it is more than just you know. I say this often it's always a passion of the indie artists, obviously their music, but yours goes a little bit deeper than that and that's what comes through with your music.

Speaker 4: 1:14:57

Thank you.

Speaker 3: 1:14:58

You're welcome. All right, c Stevens. Well, once again, as always, it's been a great conversation. Can't wait till friday for everybody to find out and listen to, and read their reactions, to take it easy, what else you got that you want to share with us tonight well, aren't you going to play it that sunday night?

Speaker 4: 1:15:21

well, yes okay, there you go. You gotta self-promote, you got to self-promote, deb you got to self-promote.

Speaker 3: 1:15:26

Look who's talking. Tonight was all about you and, yes, I do get to play the song Sunday night on Out of the Attic Live from Delaware. Yeah, I am so thrilled. I've enjoyed this journey with you, with all your releases this past year and being able to be on board from the beginning to the release. I have welcomed me, shared, you know their knowledge of so many different things. You in particular, Centel, is another great one. You know he shares a lot with me as well, Because you know we all can listen to music, but we don't all necessarily know what goes on and how it's all put together. So that's my journey and that's what I love about it is just getting to know all the the backside of it all well, you know, I've been around for a long time.

Speaker 4: 1:16:29

Um, I've been in and out of it in one aspect or another. I mean, there's a long stint there in the late, in the late 90s, early 2000s that I was a session musician in Atlanta and up in Memphis. So yeah, I've been around it for a long time. I've been doing this since I was well, you know I've been playing in bands since I was 14, but I've been what I call professional since I was 19. Yeah, so, um, you know any, yeah, anybody wants I've had, I've had a good look behind the looking glass, especially when I was a session musician. That's where I learned all my stuff on how the music business is run.

Speaker 3: 1:17:12

I don't know everything, I don't know everything, but anybody ever wants to pick my brain, feel free to reach out to me, I will help you. Yeah, absolutely, you are the person, one of the people definitely to reach out to and talk to, especially, I think, the new indie artists you know starting out. I can't imagine these days, you know, starting your career with the way everything is.

Speaker 4: 1:17:35

Yeah, and I want every, each and every one of you to have success. Each and every one of you, each and every one of you, I want, I want to see all of you have success, because every one of you, whether I play you on my show or not, y'all are putting out some tremendous music.

Speaker 7: 1:17:51

I mean, oh my gosh.

Speaker 4: 1:17:52

There's so many bands that I listen to that will never be played on my show only because it doesn't fit the format, but I love them. Like uh entropy in music. Love his stuff. Uh, love, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. Well, truth music. Love what they do. Uh love uh bone locker.

Speaker 3: 1:18:11

Oh god there's a guy, oh, he's gonna be a guest. He's gonna be a guest, yeah, I can't.

Speaker 4: 1:18:17

I can't wait either. Bone bone should be way up there, even even more than what he is he had.

Speaker 3: 1:18:23

He and centel both had a releases on um this past wednesday, september 25th.

Speaker 4: 1:18:28

They both had albums go out, oh my gosh, I've been listening to the both of them I mean so, but to still know that, that I just don't listen to hard rock. Okay, guys, I listen to everything, I love everything and hey, don't don't hesitate to reach out to me. I will give you every bit of information I can to help you out. That's what I'm here for. I'm not here to make it. I'm not looking for a record deal. I'm having fun doing what I'm doing. Yes, I've got some great fans along the way and I couldn't be happier about that, but, again, I'm here to help you. You want to reach out to me? Find me on Facebook, email me, I don't care, I will give you everything that I've got to help you out.

Speaker 3: 1:19:11

You will Absolutely See, Stevens. I appreciate you and, once again, take it easy. October 4th yeah, right, there you go. I liked how I did that one huh yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:19:24

Nice segue.

Speaker 3: 1:19:26

Nice segue right Friday night, 9 pm on R2RB and that's 9 pm Eastern Time the debut of Take it Easy on Let your Hair Down Power Hour. I think I get to do that too, sometime over the weekend, and then, october 6th, before we know it, it will be released, and I'm so excited for you. Thank you, see, stevens, for joining me tonight.

Speaker 4: 1:19:49

Thank you, it was always good for having me on.

Speaker 3: 1:19:52

All right.

Speaker 4: 1:19:53

And you know what? The wheels didn't come off this time.

Speaker 3: 1:19:56

I know we were pretty good. If you've caught some of our other shows, we can go back real quick. We had a purpose tonight. All right, I'll be back. See stevens. Once again, thank you so much.

Speaker 6: 1:20:21

Thank you. You're welcome. Take, take the pain that they gave me and I'll just go shove it back, cause I'm done with overthinking. Everyone isn't bad. Call me a pessimist, but in my mind I'm only real. Took me some time to gain it, but perspective never fails. Hoping I'm only real. Took me some time to gain it, but perspective never fails. Hope that I'm about to blow cause.

Speaker 1: 1:20:50

All the highs became the lows. Help me wake up all my worries. No reason to ask for hope. Is it impossible Find someone logical who lives in reality? No, it's only me. No, it's only me.

Speaker 6: 1:21:16

Now, wait, wait, say that they'd want me. Would I cut them all some slack? That seems to be the cycle stabbing me in the back. Call me a pessimist, but in my mind I'm only real. Took me some time to gain it, but perspective never fails. Pull the pin I'm about to blow, Cause all behind highs became the lows. Have a way of all my words. No one is in who I spoke. Is it impossible Find someone logical or live in reality?

Speaker 5: 1:22:29

No, it's only me guitar solo. You are listening to Real2Real Broadcast All right.

Speaker 3: 1:22:59

Well, I hope you enjoyed that interview with C Stevens of Asphalt Jungle Band. Yep, let me say it one more time the release Take it Easy. October 6th. He will be debuting it on his show Friday Let your Hair Down Power Hour Friday, october 4th, 9 pm, all hours in the Eastern Standard Time. Wow, okay, coming up at 8 30,. It is the Paranormal Team. I've got George Karen and Tony Yep. That's coming up at 8 30. It is the paranormal team. I've got george karen and tony yep that's coming up and we're going to be talking about, um, uh, about conducting paranormal investigations. So don't go anywhere. We'll be back and some more good music, from whose list ashfall jungle. All right, I'll be back Screaming down the road, straight, rage, overload.

Speaker 1: 1:24:15

Yeah, you think you're gonna fight when the windows roll up tight? Whoa, I'm gonna knock you out For talking trash and running a big mouth Round and bound. That's what I'm talking about. In the town, I'm gonna knock you out, gonna knock you out. Be God, when it takes, come out, step in my cage, go on, ring that bell and unleash your private hell.

Speaker 1: 1:24:56

Whoa, I'm gonna knock you out For talking trash and running that big mouth. Ground and bound Is what I'm talking. Trash and running that big mouth, ground and bound is what I'm talking about. Ain't, no doubt I'm gonna knock you out. Get off my ass or I'll slam on the brakes, or I'll slam on the brakes. Now, shut your face Before I steal your feet. Whoa, here it comes, comes, comes. Whoa, I'm gonna knock you out For talking trash and running that big mouth Round and bound. That's what I'm talking about. Ain't, no doubt I'm gonna knock you out. I'm gonna knock you out For talking trash and run in that big mouth Round and bound. It's what I'm talking about. Ain't, no doubt I'm talking about. Ain't, enough doubt, I'm gonna knock you out. Gonna knock you out. Gonna knock you out.

Speaker 3: 1:26:40

Out out, gonna knock you out, knock you out, yeah, knockout. Knocked them out of the ballpark with all these great songs tonight. All right, well, coming up in the next segment it is the paranormal investigation team. That's right, and we are headed into October next week. Where did the time go, I don't know. Can you please tell me? And it's been a year. It will be a year in October that I actually started talking with George about paranormal investigations, because I was looking for stories to share in the month of October and leading up to Halloween, and George and Paulette were with another investigation team at that time, and things have evolved since then. So George and Paulette are out on their own and tonight Karen and Tony will be joining them. I will let them introduce themselves to you and that's coming up at 830.

Speaker 3: 1:27:52

So, yeah, lots of things going on and tomorrow's Monday. In case you didn't know that, I just want to send out some, you know, some, some prayers to all those affected by this horrific hurricane coming through Florida and the Carolinas. In fact, my daughter and her family are in North Carolina, fortunately for my daughter. They lost power. They lost some trees. No damage to their house, though, though they do have some neighbors with some damage from falling trees, and they're near a town, luckily far enough that they're not going to be affected, but horrific pictures coming in from that terrible hurricane, helene. So yeah, it's crazy and just absolutely awful, with the loss of life as well. So our prayers and condolences going out to all those families. And I know it's going to be a long cleanup.

Speaker 3: 1:28:52

All right, people give me five minutes. I'm going to run with it with a yak yak yak. All right, I'm going to play next up the FODs. Good Night Sleep. And I'm going to get the team on the line with me and we'll be back. That's sleep, and I'm going to get the team on the line with me and we'll be back. That's right, the Paranormal Team is going to be joining me. Don't go anywhere. Listen to this great song.

Speaker 5: 1:29:29

Just God, I'm not coming down. It's the time of my life. I'm not on my own. Just seen you moving coming up to me. But all I ever wanted was a good night's sleep Coming on before. I waited for this moment For about a year, but all I ever wanted Was a good night's sleep. I just got high. I'm not coming down. I just got high, I'm not coming down. I can't see straight what I really mean.

Speaker 5: 1:30:18

All I ever wanted Was a good night's sleep. Good night. All that's gonna happen is a good night's sleep. I've been struck down, but I want to hold. I'm into my own. Why you coming on me, bo Long, as footage is over. I'm four. I bought a year. All that's gonna happen is a good night's sleep. Just get by. I'm not coming out. Just get by. I'm staying in alone. You're drinking in the bar. I don't have the means. All that's gonna happen is a good night's sleep. Say goodbye to this life of my own. I tried so hard, always on my own, see you from a distance with your broken family. Now's the perfect time for my good night's sleep.

Speaker 9: 1:31:45

All I ever wanted was a good night's sleep.

Speaker 3: 1:31:54

All right, and that was the FOD's Good Night's Sleep and hopefully I'm going to get everything working here. Bear with me. I have on the line, I have George, I have Tony and I have Karen right.

Speaker 7: 1:32:09

Yes.

Speaker 3: 1:32:10

All right, I said earlier, so everybody bear with me. I just have somebody sound checking me If you just hold on one second, because sometimes I can tell if this isn't working or not. But so we'll just rattle on here. So it's been. It's been a minute since we've all been together to talk about paranormal investigations, right?

Speaker 7: 1:32:31

Yes.

Speaker 3: 1:32:32

And and has things been going on behind the scenes with investigations?

Speaker 7: 1:32:40

We haven't really had any. I don't know about Tony Tony, have you had any?

Speaker 8: 1:32:44

We had a couple of private investigations last month. We have a couple of public events coming up next week, next month, in October, but yeah, it's been died out. Usually you see a lot more activity around this time. Everybody's curious and of course you know, whenever it hits, halloween hits, you see a lot more activity around this time. Everybody's curious and of course you know, when November hits, halloween hits everybody feels that their health is on at that time. But yeah, it goes. We have our seasons. Our season starts in September up until about January.

Speaker 3: 1:33:06

Then it kind of dies out a little bit Well, and I just said before I got you all on the line, it's. You know, it's been a year since I talked to George and Paulette when they were with a different team and I can't believe. The year has gone by and here we are October. It's going to be October 1st on Tuesday.

Speaker 3: 1:33:26

It's like where did the time all go to? Yeah, all right, so I got the okay. I wanted to make sure that everybody could hear us out in radio land. Yeah, I can hear you. Oh cool, I'm good, I know you guys can hear me All right. So tonight, what are we talking about?

Speaker 7: 1:33:46

We are going to talk about what to do, what not to do, when you're going on an investigation.

Speaker 3: 1:33:53

Oh, okay, all right, and so do you actually have a little? So well, here we go. Here goes my questions. When you put your team together, if you're a new team, then is this something that you go over with everybody?

Speaker 7: 1:34:08

Yes.

Speaker 3: 1:34:09

Okay, so go ahead, tell us about what to do and what not to do on an investigation.

Speaker 7: 1:34:16

Well, we make sure that nobody wears perfume, we make sure that, like they're not loud. You know, Don't carry equipment in there that we don't need, Like turn your cell phone down. You just got to make sure everything's quiet, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:34:30

So let's back it all the way up to perfume. Why not the perfume?

Speaker 7: 1:34:35

Because sometimes, like like you'll pick something up in the house like my house, you used to smell cigars and somebody's got perfume where you're gonna think it's in the house and it's not oh, okay, all right, so it interferes yeah, okay all right yeah yeah, I have a similar story.

Speaker 8: 1:34:53

We we were doing the Wellwood in Maryland and as we're just scouting out the place, before we even got permission to go to investigate, we were spelling cigars. Oh wow, and we couldn't figure out why. So when we started talking to the owner, larry, he said, yes, one of the founders of that end at that time owned a cigar factory in Philadelphia. Oh wow, and that, right there. That piqued our interest right then and there. And that's the week. We had to get in there at that point. But yeah, so, yeah, you definitely get smell smells and you have to be careful, like George says, if you go there with cologne on or if you go in there and smell like cigarettes, you don't know if it's present or something from the past, a residual from the past, yeah, past residual from the past.

Speaker 3: 1:35:33

Wow, I wouldn't even have thought of that at all. And, of course, with phones I mean it's you know, we all have our phones on us and we all have our phones turned on and they always seem to somebody's always calling you at the most inopportune time.

Speaker 8: 1:35:48

Yeah, you have to make sure the phones are on airplane mode too, because the frequency from your phones will actually set off our equipment. So you'll be asking questions and if your phone is peaking the internet you're going to get false readings. So you have to make sure you're on airplane mode oh well, wow, you guys have thought of it.

Speaker 3: 1:36:05

Because I wouldn't have thought of that as well, I would probably just put it on silent.

Speaker 9: 1:36:09

Well, that's because a lot of the, the activity is the like, the, the um, I don't want to say electrical current, but it's all that magnetic current and stuff that you get. So if you have your phone on, that's going to pull what also could drain your battery. I've heard that yeah as well. I mean it could drain your batteries or phone. So if you really want your phone later you want to turn it off.

Speaker 3: 1:36:40

Agreed, because we all want our phones later, that is for sure. But do you use your phones at all? I mean, do you take pictures? You know, I'm sure we all, you know, sometimes we'll grab our phone so quickly to take pictures. Or is it better to take a picture with a real camera?

Speaker 8: 1:36:59

I usually use a camera. It's hit or miss. There are some out there that prefer their camera on their phone or they use their voice recorder on their phone, and it's hit or miss. We have to make sure they do have it on airplane mode if they prefer to do that. What I think? I don't want to say the word controversy, but there's a big debate on. There's actual paranormal apps that you can put on your phone to detect voices, detect this or that. I'm not a big fan of the phone apps. I think they could be pre-programmed. I think that some of those false readings, but there are some people who really, really like their phone apps. So again, that's a hit or miss that's up to the team to decide. I don't know if George or anybody else on the call you know what their experience is with their phone apps, but you've got to be very careful.

Speaker 9: 1:37:50

I know I have two pictures. Actually we were talking about it tonight. I have two pictures. That one actually was the Amazon person was delivering a package to my house and he took a picture of the package. Well, in the door was a dog. Door was closed but it looked like it was open because I went home, so the front door was closed. You did not see the front door. You could see the dog standing there like it was. The door was open and, um, it happened to be the person who used to live, because I I know him and I talked to him because he doesn't live too far from me. Um, it's his dog, is it's his dog that died in the house.

Speaker 9: 1:38:39

And then I have another picture, and that's just from taking pictures. Sometimes you just take a picture when you're somewhere and something comes up that I actually took when my grandson it was Christmas and my grandson was an altar boy. It was at Stony's catholic church and the little girl that he would, she would, he was walking with there was a priest actually had attached to her, because the little girl wasn't supposed to be doing that job. You know that was always a boy's job, right? Yeah, so I actually have two really, really good pictures. That we definitely know. You know. Oh, that yeah. So your cell phone can pick up really good pictures. You can pick up, you know you can pick up all kinds of stuff, right, and that's if you're honest and don't right go and play with it and all that other stuff Exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:39:36

That's right and I'm sure you know with all, like you said, all the apps for our phones, we're always so quick to grab those phones and the apps. But I'm kind of of the same school as all of you that I would rather have the equipment that was made for your investigations versus your phone that you can, you know, manipulate so easily.

Speaker 9: 1:40:00

Right.

Speaker 7: 1:40:01

I don't. I don't ever catch anything. Paulette catches all the pictures of it. I never. I can be down the same room with her all night. I never catch one thing. She'll come upstairs, get a bottle of water, go back downstairs. Within five seconds she's got a whole video of stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:40:16

See, she's got that energy, george. I don't know what it is, and if it's in your house, there's a lot of energy in your house as well.

Speaker 7: 1:40:27

If she catches most of the pictures, I don't see them. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3: 1:40:31

So have you been out on an investigation with seasoned or new investigators and you know, just out of nowhere you know they're doing things that you know you've probably gone over with them, and how do you handle that situation when they go rogue?

Speaker 9: 1:40:52

That's a real go-home, because we do have we do. At times it does happen. You know you'll have people that think that they know what they're doing and you kind of have to be nice about it and corral them up and say, hey, you know, if you want to be a part of this, because you can't be, you know talking real loud, and you can't be because you're trying to hear stuff.

Speaker 3: 1:41:14

Right.

Speaker 9: 1:41:14

You're trying to sing and you can't. You know you can't get all excited. You have to be respectful.

Speaker 3: 1:41:22

I like that.

Speaker 9: 1:41:23

That's it. That's what it all boils down to.

Speaker 5: 1:41:25

That's it.

Speaker 9: 1:41:25

If you're in a museum, you're in somebody's home. You need to be respectful for the people that are there, because a lot of times you could be there because they're having a bad entity.

Speaker 4: 1:41:35

Yeah.

Speaker 9: 1:41:35

Right, and if you're acting like a fool then you know that's not good for the person that lives in that home, because they're already scared enough because they called you Exactly, exactly, you know. So you just kind of have to, you know, wrangle them in and just say hey, you know, we don't do it this way. And if you want to do it that way, you know we don't do it this way, and if you want to do it that way, you know.

Speaker 3: 1:41:56

Start your own team.

Speaker 9: 1:41:59

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 7: 1:42:01

And that happens. You just got to be professional and the worst thing is don't ever run, don't ever run out.

Speaker 3: 1:42:07

Oh, I wouldn't even think of that, but I guess there must be a situation where people have yeah, people run out, yeah.

Speaker 9: 1:42:15

Yeah, yeah, because a situation where people have, yeah, people run out, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're not only you know, I mean you're.

Speaker 9: 1:42:20

you're not only, it's not dangerous just for the person running, it's dangerous for anybody else that might be there that you could run into right um and and you don't know what you're going to be running into right, either like you don't know what's over in that other room, or you don't know what's. Maybe we don't want you there because there's something we're trying to fix Right. You know, sometimes you know that can be a an issue.

Speaker 3: 1:42:40

Absolutely. I mean I've only been on one investigation and that was with George and Paulette and seeing what the team did at that investigation and how it was conducted and it you know you are in a mostly you know dark house because you dim the lights, turn the lights down, turn the lights off. There's equipment set up so I can't fathom anybody really. I mean I can understand because you know things happen, but I really can't fathom anybody like running out of some place because outside is probably just as dark and I don't think I would want to go there either. But in just respecting everybody in the room, the equipment that is set up, I mean ask questions, I guess too. If you feel uncomfortable or at least say to somebody I can't stay here, you need to walk me out, which I? I was brave, I didn't leave.

Speaker 7: 1:43:38

But we did have. We shouldn't have let the guy there. You know, deb, you were there. Yeah, he was a little loud and a little bit intoxicated. He was almost in recordings, more than anything. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:43:54

I mean, it was an interesting evening um how not to how not to do the investigation we totally quiet.

Speaker 7: 1:44:04

I don't know how many times.

Speaker 3: 1:44:05

Oh my gosh yeah, you did, you did um and yeah. So there's your, there's your class right there on on how to uh, what not to do. And you're right, I almost had forgotten about that part about being quiet, because your equipment is very sensitive as well.

Speaker 7: 1:44:23

Yeah.

Speaker 9: 1:44:26

Also, too, I don't think it's a good idea to ever bring children.

Speaker 3: 1:44:31

No, no, I would agree.

Speaker 9: 1:44:34

I think this is something that should be an adult I mean, I know kids really have heightened senses. My daughter all her life, you know, I've known what she has seen and everything and we talk about it but I would never have ever taken her on an investigation as a child. Yeah it, but I would never have ever taken her on investigation as a child yeah, no, I don't, even though I know in our own house what she saw, what she witnessed, what was going on, because I saw it too right but I would never take her outside somewhere else to somebody else's okay, let's go see what you can find out.

Speaker 9: 1:45:09

I mean, she's an adult now right enough to make up her own mind, but she won't have anything to do with it and that's fine, yeah, yeah, you know that's up to her. But I think a lot of people want their kids to get involved, especially with halloween and everything coming along, they think, oh, she's 15, she's 14, she's 16, he's whatever. I don't think it's a good idea unless you're an adult to do something like this, because it can be, they can attach to you. If you have a bad entity, that bad entity can attach to that, and then the kids don't know what to do with it once it sticks to them and once it's on them, you know you need somebody to remove it.

Speaker 3: 1:45:47

Wow, and, and that can be really scary yeah I can imagine and, and I'm sure people don't even think about that part of it I mean I wouldn't bring children anyway, but then just having you, you know, give a little more detail of why. I mean people don't think that far, they're just like, oh, let's go. You know see what an investigation is like and you know, I agree, I should. You should definitely be 18 years or older. I mean, all kidding aside, you know when it's being done properly in the investigation.

Speaker 8: 1:46:23

Yeah, agreed. Yeah, tony, I'm sorry. Yeah, we've learned too by you know, unfortunately, by experience that I don't even mention that I have a young child at home. There's times where you, during an investigation, you realize that there may be a child spirit present and if you bring up the fact that you have a child, they may come home with you, they may attach with you, because they want to come home and play with the child.

Speaker 8: 1:46:45

So we've had that that's actually happened before, so we don't. We may introduce who we are. My name is Tony. We're just here to figure out your story and stuff like that, but we do not say anything about home life or anything like that, because we don't want to perfect curiosity and have something that asks you to come home with you that's right, george.

Speaker 3: 1:47:02

George, that's not what. That's why I'm not coming to your house oh, you'll be safe, poor george yeah, okay, but it's we call me, you go ahead.

Speaker 9: 1:47:16

Yeah, okay, we call the entities hitchhikers.

Speaker 7: 1:47:19

My sister and I do it never fails.

Speaker 9: 1:47:22

Every time she goes away and she comes home, she's always got a hitchhiker with her.

Speaker 9: 1:47:27

And it could be like she's been to, like when she was in Charlotte, north Carolina, some of the states and stuff that they went through and things that they just did it with friends and she doesn't even have to talk to them, see them or anything, they just come with her. Oh, wow, you know. So we always have to, yeah, and it's, and we're always doing, you know, got to cleanse or got to get that, you know, and it's like because she'll be real cold and can't get warm and she's like I know I got another hitchhiker. That's crazy and it happens to her all the time.

Speaker 8: 1:48:03

I'm going to use that term. Thank you for that. I like that yeah.

Speaker 7: 1:48:10

Tony, I'm not going to mention any names, but the first team we were on we had a team member to. Something always happened, oh yeah.

Speaker 8: 1:48:18

You know what I'm talking about. Everything always happened to this person. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7: 1:48:23

I mean, she got hit with a rock, she got scratched, she got punched. Oh wow it was crazy, wow.

Speaker 8: 1:48:36

And you also have to be careful because you, adam, on my, on my team too, you have somebody who always believes there's something there. Not every investigation. You're going to find something, not everybody, yeah you could be the same place.

Speaker 8: 1:48:41

Three times already documented that there's activity but there's not going to be activity every time you go and then you get these folks that, no matter what they do, they may be sensitive, but whenever they're there they have that drama that follows them. So you got to be very careful with those individuals and work with them so they can work through it. Wow.

Speaker 3: 1:48:59

Yeah, yeah, good, good information. I will say this because I say it every time that we get together you may not believe in paranormal, you may not believe in the investigations, may not believe in the investigations. But take, you know, listen to what Tony, karen and George and the other guests that they have had on the information that they give you. We talk about the equipment we've talked about tonight about what to do, what not to do on an investigation. There's a lot of research that goes into the places that they're going to investigate. You know they just don't walk into a historical building, for example, without knowing what's gone on there or whomever has been in touch with the investigator. They give a background. This is what's going on. This is, you know, what I think has happened here.

Speaker 3: 1:49:50

Or you know that the researcher from the investigation team will you know, dig deeper. You know the researcher from the investigation team will you know, dig deeper. You know what exactly did happen in this area. So it's just not hocus pocus, it is just not well we're going to make up some stories and have a half hour of paranormal talk. You have to. You know, just listen to what we're all saying and there's things that have been proven and that's why I like it, I like this, like this, I like learning, I like knowing about it all, and if you know, you just can't say oh, hocus pocus when you haven't done your own research and learning.

Speaker 3: 1:50:27

So that's my, my uh public announcement yeah, you're exactly right.

Speaker 8: 1:50:33

Yeah, and I don't know how much of that is. People don't believe, but there's also a large number of people who just don't want to believe. Well, there's. We should not dabble in that. We should leave that alone. Right, that's meant to be left alone. You know, you have to be able to understand both sides too.

Speaker 3: 1:50:48

Yeah, and that's fine. I mean, I know people, there's going to be people on both sides, yay and nay, um, but man, if you don't, that's a you know, keep going, that's all right. You know, kind of like, I talk about the indie artists in different genres and there's people who you know you don't like one genre, I flip the station, go someplace else. So same with this. You don't believe, you don't want to listen? That's all right, just flip the channel. But you're gonna be missing out a lot. So what else? Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 9: 1:51:14

I just, I just ask people to keep an open mind. That's it, you know, because anything is possible. So just keep an open mind, because you know, we know what we know you. You have your feelings. That's good. It's like you know, there's, there's, you know, basket robin has how many flavors of ice cream you know, exactly. So it's like that's all cool, you know it's okay, if you don't believe and you're not sure you're not sure.

Speaker 3: 1:51:40

Just try to have another month exactly that's all I ask, and the three of you that you know you just didn't start this yesterday. Tony, how many years have you been an investigator?

Speaker 9: 1:51:50

oh god, I'd be at least 20 years now, if not more right and karen it's not that I've done a whole lot of investigating, it's just that this has been my life there, you go. You know, I've seen and heard and smelled people my whole entire life. You know, and it keeps going.

Speaker 3: 1:52:16

Yeah, yeah, and George.

Speaker 7: 1:52:21

Oh, I don't know. Probably close to what Tony has.

Speaker 3: 1:52:25

Yeah. So you didn't wake up just yesterday saying, oh, I'm a paranormal investigator. You know all of you and those other guests that we've had on. You know you've all had years in the paranormal investigating arena, which I find fascinating. So what else can you tell us about other things that you may not want to do on an investigation?

Speaker 8: 1:52:51

Well, there's seven things. Number one, too, is make sure you have like-minded people on your team. It's good to have different opinions and points of view, but make sure everybody has the same goal, also just having the same line of questioning. We always say that whatever investigation we go on, don't make it personal. Don't be asking questions about Aunt Sally, because if Aunt Sally has never been there, she's not going to be at the location unless she's attached to you. So we try to not make it personal. But, number one, make sure you do your homework.

Speaker 8: 1:53:21

Wherever you're going for an investigation, do your homework. Get the background, history, location, other family or whoever it is the host that's hosting you there Learn more about them and then, as you go into investigations, if you can pick up familiar names that they may have told you in different stories of people who may have lived there or worked there, it's good to do your background so that you have ammunition, um, because if I go into a place and I know that you know the homeowner said that their their uncle, bob, you know, passed away in this house we can say, hey, bob, are you here? Um, but again, you gotta got to do your. You got to do your background. You don't walk into a place blinded. George and I have experienced in a place in Virginia that we went to and no one did their homework and we were really blindsided by what we went into and it was. It was a scary weekend and we ended up leaving there.

Speaker 8: 1:54:12

Oh, I know what we got ourselves into.

Speaker 3: 1:54:14

I know that story.

Speaker 7: 1:54:16

Oh yeah, and we end up leaving there wondering what we got ourselves into.

Speaker 8: 1:54:19

I know that story, oh yeah, all the way up to a goat's head that was in the refrigerator. I can't.

Speaker 3: 1:54:26

Yes, oh, my God no but it's true, I mean absolutely Everything. You just said, Tony, it's just with anything that you're going to take on, you want to know what you're getting into and in order to do that you do, you have to do your research, do your homework and find out where you're going to, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 9: 1:54:46

And you really can't make somebody go in. If somebody wants to do it and then they all of a sudden decide that they're not going to, let them go, let them go sit in their car and let them do whatever they need to do, but don't make somebody go in and do it, because it's only going to heighten their fear yeah, and a lot of times things will gravitate to fear, and the more fear about it and the more anxious, the worse it could get.

Speaker 9: 1:55:11

So it's better just to let people do their own thing, you know, coming in there on their own, yeah, and not, and not saying, well, you made me come here and I paid for this, or whatever, if it's paid or if it's a free thing. Right, you know who cares. Right, you do what you need to do.

Speaker 3: 1:55:26

Yeah, agreed, absolutely um, because I feel like if somebody goes into um, into that, not wanting to, I'm sure it interferes with your investigation yeah, see I will.

Speaker 9: 1:55:39

I will never go to an insane asylum well, I'm with you on that that's just me. I could never, ever do that.

Speaker 7: 1:55:46

Now I go to georgia's, that's fine that's about the closest you're going to get the one right, but I will go to. I will go to?

Speaker 9: 1:55:53

I will go to some kind of criminal scene or anything like that, because that to me you're asking for trouble.

Speaker 3: 1:56:06

Yeah, especially the old ones. Oh, it was awful. I'm with you on that one, karen.

Speaker 9: 1:56:12

I mean my mom used to take us to $4 all the time just because it was free when we were kids.

Speaker 4: 1:56:19

We'd go over to.

Speaker 9: 1:56:19

Fort Dollar. Well, I hate Fort Dollar. I mean I would go now. But the reason why I hated it was because when I was a kid I could feel it and I knew it and we could go back in the dungeons, really deep into the, where the jails were and everything. When we were kids you could go in there, oh wow and and it was horrible. It was. I mean, just what was there was not good, wow. And my mother used to make we're gonna get a $4, isn't't that going to be great? And I'm like no.

Speaker 7: 1:57:01

Oh my God, we all swam across the river to rent my house.

Speaker 3: 1:57:05

Really? Yeah, I think so, oh, lordy, and this is why I meet George and Paulette for lunch, that's it Love you guys. No, it's not the reason.

Speaker 9: 1:57:27

I've never had anybody hurt me at George's house. I only play with my hair.

Speaker 7: 1:57:35

We'll shut off a light, slam a door or we'll hide something that you have. It's just annoying stuff, that's all.

Speaker 3: 1:57:41

Oh yeah, definitely. I have to just tell you guys I don't know if you're familiar Maybe, george, you and I could get Tracy and Tracy from Connecticut, maybe to come on with you guys and talk about Fairfield Hills Hospital. It's in Fairfield, connecticut, and, for those who don't know, I am from Connecticut.

Speaker 3: 1:58:00

That would be great yeah this Fairfield Hills Hospital was shut down because of the awful management and the abuse that the patients were going through, and it's empty now. It's been empty. Nobody wants it, nobody's gone near it, nobody's taken it over. I think it closed in when 1960. It's been closed a long time, so I'm sure what kind of hospital was it? Mental. It was a mental hospital.

Speaker 9: 1:58:29

It was an asylum. Yeah, yeah, yep Up in Newtown, you won't, you won't you won't see me? No, I'm not, no, no, I'm not bringing somebody would come out with me.

Speaker 9: 1:58:42

Actually, I really am that scares me yeah, yeah you know, even though you do this your whole life and you do these investigations I don't know about anybody else, but you do get anxious, oh, I'm sure, at least I do, at least I do I can get very anxious sometimes and you just and, and it's like I might remove myself from everybody, right, because I'm getting anxious, right, but it's like until I get into that room or whatever, and then I'm like, okay, I'm here, all right, nothing's happening, I'm good you know, yeah, it's like, okay, now you can begin, you know, but it's like, even though I've done it all my, you know, it's been all my life and I have been doing carnal probably for 10 years, you know, since I've moved down here, but um, no, it's, sometimes it's like it's, it's even we get nervous and anxious right, yeah

Speaker 3: 1:59:34

yeah, it can be crazy and I know those that you know feel it like you and and and it's there for you. Um, it's again. People cannot, you know. I know people are going to say yeah, right, no, but uh, for those of you that you know do feel it, know it, go through it. Um, yeah, it can be a little overwhelming, I'm sure yeah all right, folks.

Speaker 3: 1:59:58

Well, we're going to wind it down because it's almost nine o'clock, but, george, we definitely have to put fairfield hills on our list to to at this um facility also had underground tunnels, just throwing.

Speaker 7: 2:00:10

It sounds like me and tony need to take a road trip. Yes, I like that stuff, like that yeah, I love road trips.

Speaker 9: 2:00:15

Yeah, I don't know Now that they have tunnels.

Speaker 7: 2:00:21

I just might have to come. We have a team. We've got Karen, Tony, me and Paulette, so there's a team there you go there, you go, I like it yeah.

Speaker 9: 2:00:29

And if you haven't been, just wrap me in bubble paper.

Speaker 3: 2:00:34

Oh my gosh, you guys paper. Yeah, and it's beautiful the area that it is, and it's really, if you haven't been to connecticut, it is a beautiful area. It's in newtown, connecticut, um, and the surrounding towns are just little quaint little towns. So, yeah, we'll definitely have to put it on your list, you guys, and then you can report back to me that'd be cool.

Speaker 7: 2:00:53

Yeah, there you go. All right, we could go, we could go do a podcast there.

Speaker 9: 2:00:56

No, I was just gonna say that go, all right, we could go, we could go do a podcast there. No, I was just gonna say that that's right.

Speaker 7: 2:01:00

We could get hooked up with those two and then we could do a podcast with them there you go.

Speaker 3: 2:01:04

That that will work yeah, we'll work on that for the, maybe in the springtime, because it'll take us a while to connect okay, all right, sounds like a plan. Oh, I like this. I like this planning right, guys? I appreciate you all. Our time goes by too quick. I'm looking forward to next month, and you'll be hitting right on the 29th Nope, the 27th of October, which is going to lead us right into that Halloween season, so we'll have to come up with a good one.

Speaker 7: 2:01:32

Oh, I got a couple ideas, we'll come up with something. Okay, all, come up with a good one. Oh, I got a couple ideas, we'll come up with something.

Speaker 3: 2:01:36

Okay, all right, well, thank you both. Thank you all, karen, tony and George, and I look forward to speaking with you all again.

Speaker 8: 2:01:44

Thank you, always a pleasure, thanks for having us.

Speaker 3: 2:01:47

Thanks, Deb Appreciate it. Oh, you are welcome. You guys have a good night. See you next time.

Speaker 1: 2:02:00

And have myself a real good time. Uh-huh when it comes to closing time, just around closing time, everything's gonna be alright. Just around Puzzle time, everything's gonna be Be alright. Take a look around, see, the coast is clear now, cause the man will soon be there. Desperation, it crushes your mind sometimes, right around the closing time. Just around pleasant time. Just around pleasant time. If things could be alright. Just around pleasant time. If things could be alright.

Speaker 2: 2:03:41

All right.

Speaker 1: 2:04:12

Let's get out of here, boys, guitar solo. I watched the TV Cause we were all so mean. Yeah, desperation, you crush your mind sometimes Right around Closing time, just around Closing time. If this gonna be alright, just around pleasant times, everything's gonna be.

Speaker 3: 2:05:00

Well, I hope everybody enjoyed tonight's show. Special thank you to my guests, Asphalt Jungle Band, C Stevens and the Paranormal Investigation Team, George, Tony and Karen, who joined me this evening as well. Great music, great conversation, another great show, if I do say so myself and why not, Everybody have a great week. I will be talking at you next week. Have a good one.